Kim Kida and Destynnie Hall introduce the show on the first episode of The PolePedia Show, discussing a topic that is circulating in some parts of the pole world: move name superiority.

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Kim Kida: Hello everyone. This is the very first PolePedia show! Wooo! So, I am Kim Kida, and I’m here today with Destynnie, my esteemed co-host.

So, why are we doing this show? What is the show even about? Why are we here?

So, essentially the PolePedia show is just to kind of branch off of what our PolePedia website does. It is a community based resource, and so, so is the show. The show is going to talk pole: on and off the pole.

So, Off the Pole: all about pole news, competitions, workshops, and then general things within the pole community.

Then, the On the Pole section, which starts in the next two weeks, it’s going to break down,  moves heavily. How do we condition for them? What are the flexibility exercises we should do? Common mistakes, safety measures, things of that nature.

For our first pole show, let’s talk about how to navigate all of those pole move names. There are so many of them for just one simple trick. How do we get through all of it?

Destynnie Hall: Sure. It’s something that we’ve all complained about at one point or another. 

Kim Kida: What is this move called? How do I search it on Instagram?

So yeah, I want to pass this off to Destynnie and let her talk a little bit about why we chose this subject to start with.

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. So, one thing that I’ve especially been seeing lately, since people are  training more at home, they’re looking up their own resources more with COVID, and with all the lockdowns going on is they’re posting more content there. They’re trying to search new move names like, Oh, what do I call this? Well, I’m not finding it on this hashtag. So, so what is it actually called? and things like that.

And then you have people come out of the woodwork and they’re sitting there saying like, why are you calling it this? It’s This. Or, why are you posting this and putting it forward? Like I saw somebody did a tutorial on a chopper invert or basic invert or whatever you want to call it.  An invert. And somebody, somebody got upset at her and started almost cyberbullying her because. It was, that person had learned it as a spinning chopper invert instead of just like, Up.

She was being told to take the video down and everything like that, it’s like, Okay, this is a problem. And I’m seeing things like that happen a lot more now that people are at home more.

Kim Kida: Yeah, we’re at home, so we no longer have our trusted instructors giving us names, but just because our instructors have learned a certain name doesn’t necessarily mean that it is the end all be all. and just because they’re, you know, just because one name is in particular, maybe the name that you hear the most.

So you know, we were talking about how it’s an outside leg hang, or maybe it’s a Gemini, right. Depending on where you’re at, you’re going to hear something different and that’s okay. and so there’s all of these different names for everything. And when we’re at the studio, we’re hearing certain things, but then you start searching for yourself.

Maybe it’s a move that you want to practice, or you’re trying to hashtag your move on Instagram or Facebook. and you come up with all the craziest stuff and you’re like, “What even is this?” right? And so when you have this like name superiority coming out, it’s kind of in a negative context, right?

Destynnie Hall: It can be discouraging.

Kim Kida: It can be very discouraging. ‘Cause you don’t want to feel like you’ve learned something wrong. Nothing feels worse than when you’ve learned something wrong. You’re like, oh, they – I was taught wrong? So then, you know, even if someone, if you’re listening to these people who like the superiority, like in a certain name, if you’re listening to those people and taking those words to heart…

Well, that could maybe sow some like distrust within your community, and things of that nature, right? You don’t really want that.

So, personally for me on move names, I really feel like it’s okay to have multiple ones. Both myself and Destynnie have traveled and been in many different studios and no matter where you go there’s going to be some differences.

Same thing when you travel to a new country, like, you know, I’ve been to the UK. They don’t call sneakers “sneakers” like we do in America. They call them trainers and that’s okay. I just adapt to that situation, right? I start calling them trainers and instead, because that’s just the culture of where I go.

And, it doesn’t necessarily have to be cross-country to get a new pole move name. It could literally be the studio down the road that calls it something just a little bit different.

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. I think it was – in the first three studios I ever went to, they called a leg hang three different things. And so, when I moved studios, I asked the teacher, like, I want to do a Gemini.

And she honestly didn’t know what I was talking about, even though that’s still a very common name, and she’s like, what – do you mean a leg hang? And then I felt dumb because then I’m sitting there going, okay, well, I’m – at that point I was brand new to pole – and I’m like, okay, am I, am I saying something wrong?

Like, do I not know the terminology? I thought I did. Like, I didn’t realize how insidious it was for there to be so many different names, and it can be discouraging, I think.

Well, Kim, when I first started talking to you, that was the first time I heard a Genie called a Froggy. and it took me aback, ‘cause like, even now I had no idea. I’ve always just known it as Genie.

Kim Kida: Yeah, I’ve been taking classes with instructors overseas and I can’t remember what it’s called now and that’s racking my brain, but it’s, like I call it a Jasmine, some people call it other thigns, I call it a Jasmine. When I was in Vegas teaching, we called it a chest man, because you push through with your chest. That’s what made sense to us.

But I learned it from an instructor who learned all of her pole moves in German. So, she had to translate to English for the pole moves and then bring it to us. So, I mean, there might have been some, you know, translation changes in-between there. But I’ve heard it called many, many different things.

There are so many different things that you could call that move, but I mean, that applies to almost all moves. Even the simplest of moves, like your dip spin could also be an Around the World, right? So I don’t know of any trick in particular that really has like this one, certain name. Maybe your shoulder mount, but that’s going to be about it.

Destynnie Hall: That’s kind of what came to mind is the shoulder mount. Cause even, even basic inverts. It’s like I was talking about: there’s three different names for the same type of invert.

Kim Kida: Yeah. I learned it as a chopper, right? Because I felt like a helicopter. I was like, “whee!” So I learned that as a chopper, but then later I, you know, I started teaching it.

And so now I’m teaching it just as an Invert. Just be upside down, but that doesn’t, to me, it still doesn’t feel very like definitive because I’m telling you to invert, but there’s a million different ways to get upside down, right? There’s your handstands, there’s, you know, falling down into it from like your, your Jasmine to your outside leg hang, right?

There’s a billion different ways to get upside down. So adding the word basic to it is great, but I think the biggest thing is especially this: so I’m going to talk a little bit about how, as a teacher, I deal with all the different names.

So, as a student, I was just like, Oh, okay. Give me more knowledge. And then kind of wherever I’m at, that’s the terminology I’m going to use. I don’t want to have people staring at me, which is not very fun. People don’t tend to like it when you call it something different, kind of how you felt a little bit different when you were like, “Oh, can I do a Gemini?” and she’s like, “what is that?”. And you’re like, ah, oh, sorry. Whoopsie-doodle. Like, did I learn this wrong? Am I crazy?

Destynnie Hall: And if you’re not at the level to actually perform that move, you have to spend so much time trying to explain it, too.

Kim Kida: Oh, that’s my favorite. So as a teacher, what I do with this is when I am teaching a move, I will try to remember as many names as possible so that when my students film themselves and tag stuff on Instagram, right.

They can find the right tags and it also sticks into their brain a little bit better, right? So I learned the Genie as a Froggy and for anyone who learned the froggy as the froggy, you understand what I mean. But I learned it as the froggy. It makes a little bit of sense. You’re kind of like frogged up on the pole, right?

A little bit silly, but super funny. So I learned it as the froggy and then I moved to a different area started learning it as the genie, and I was like, Oh, okay. Like, that’s fine. Now I know the different names, so now when I teach it, I start with the word froggy because that’s the one that makes the most sense to me.

But then I move on and I’m like, all right, today, we’re going to start with our froggy, but it’s also called a genie. You might hear that somewhere else. And then I just keep going on with my life. Like I don’t tell them which name to prefer it as. Like, even my students who have been with me for a long time, they’ll hear me still call it both just in case. That’s what their brain is used to hearing, but at this point they should be used to hearing like 14 names for every trick cause that’s pretty much where we’re at.

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. And I feel like a lot of the superiority that comes in is, other people moving in from these more developed industries.

In ballet, you have a name for everything, but with pole dancing, it varies from place to place because it all developed from the strip clubs where people are just trying to make a paycheck and teach them. “Yeah, I kind of do this. We’ll call it ah, we’ll call it this,” you know, like, we’re still a very young industry and we’re just now starting to come into this era where we’re like:

Okay, we have a lot of people. Let’s figure stuff out, and actually start figuring out what to call everything standard. And it’s also difficult because aside from like the move dictionary, there’s no place for that, there’s no platform for that to happen.

Kim Kida: Yeah, no, I mean, pole is just this big – it’s honestly like the biggest like community activity that I’ve ever been a part of.

I’m sure there’s bigger in the world, but as far as something that I’ve been a part of, pole is a huge community activity. We build off of each other, right?

So if you’re scrolling through Instagram and you’re like, “I really like that.” So you’ll try it and then tag them and then you teach your students and they learn it from you…

And it’s just this thing that you keep going on and on, we’re still creating new moves. Like there are moves that people were like, “it’s a pretty shape. What’s it called? I have no clue. I just get into it like this.”

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. I’ve had people ask me, like, what is this exact move? And I sat there for like 20 minutes.

Like, I have no idea.

Let’s try to research this. Yeah. I’m supposed to know. Let’s research this and like 30 minutes later, I still had no idea. I couldn’t find anything like it.

Kim Kida: Image search is not a help when it comes to pole dance moves at all. I’ve been there as well, when you’re like “help, please, have you ever seen this?”

And I’m like, I’ve never seen that in my life. And then I Google image search it. And it’s just all of these, like people on boats that I’m like that is not even close.

Destynnie Hall: Or, or pole vaulters.

Kim Kida: Oh, that’s even better. But, yeah, so we’re in this huge community and you’re right. There is a bunch of other things like, you know, ballet or, you know, swing dancing, any modern dance is going to have very technical terms for what they do.

They’ve been around for a lot longer. And you know, they’re servicing more people probably than the pole industry right now – hopefully the pole industry gets bigger – but like they’re servicing everyone and obviously the best way to teach everybody everything is have it right across the board.

And to have something as structured as ballet, like you said, is to have maybe one name, but I’m sure even ballet has like, in small pockets of the world where people call something just a little bit different, right? Even as something as basic as your pirouette.

We have the pirouette in pole dancing, but it could literally refer to a couple of different things depending on where your arms are.

So, while these really established industries have all of these like hardcore names where you’re just like, this is it. This is the name for this. We’re going to teach it all over the world. Everyone agrees. Pole’s not like that, you’re right. We are a baby industry, like 20 years, maybe a little bit more, still a pretty baby industry across the board, and I can promise you that when you’re coming up with a new trick in the strip club, you don’t really care what it’s called. You’re just like, “they like it and I get money. Fantastic.” And when you’re trying to teach someone else, right, you’re just like this, right? A lot of our names, like a shoulder mount, very just flat on, not a whole lot to it or a bunch of fancy names, like stuff like the Ayesha, right?

That’s a lot fancier name, but with our shoulder mounts, we’re just like, this is a shoulder and we go up on it. I can’t imagine when someone named that, that they were like, “booty in the air,” like whatever, right?

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. I mean, I know the move where you put your foot up on the pole and you just swing your other, leg up around – called a step up! Easy.

Kim Kida: I can remember that.

Destynnie Hall: Exactly. It’s like, like what, what are you. Oh, what are you supposed to exactly look for when you’re trying to learn this stuff too? That’s another problem. It’s like, people who are looking for education on this outside of strip clubs, outside of personal mentors, personal instructors, like what are they supposed to look up?

And that’s, that’s the other difficulty that I think we’re just starting to really hit as an industry.

Kim Kida: It is, and you’re right. COVID’s is not making it any better, but in a way, there’s the silver lining to this, right? COVID happened. We’re all sitting at home, you know, if you’re lucky enough to have your pole at home, that’s great, but you’re still trying to do stuff.

Even if you’re not, I promise you’re scrolling Instagram because if you’re pole dancing, you’re addicted, you’re scrolling Instagram. You’re like, Oh, this is awesome. I want to try that when my studio opens back up and if you don’t save it or, you know, you’re, you’re trying to tell your instructor, like, this is what I want to do.

But they’re like, what even is that?

You’re trying to explain something to me. I have no clue what it is. You show them the shape and they’re like, I’ve never seen that before. We’ll try and break it down and then – oh, guess what – a new name emerges! But it’s in that one community.

So, then that person posts something on Instagram and they’re like, I did this today and we’re going to call it this and then woo!

It’s a cycle, right?

So it takes off and there’s a new name for it now, but then other people are going to call it other things, because guess what, I promise that if one person has taken it to their instructor and said, “what’s this?” and we give it a name, at least somebody else in the world has done the same thing.

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. And those branch off and social media is a very powerful tool.

Kim Kida: Super powerful. So, you start hashtagging it, and if a trick goes viral, where like all of the, you know, pole superstars are trying this trick and they’re saying, “Oh, I really like this, and this is what it’s called.” But you get like, Dan Rosen is calling it like the super scary leg hang, right? And then somebody else’s like “spooky leg on the outside!”

…and now you’ve got two different names. You’ve got them coming from people that are influencers in the community, and then you, you know, depending on who you follow, that might be how you determine which move name is superior, right? The origins of names are absolutely wackadoodle.

It’s super fun to investigate. but it’s just, it’s super crazy,

Destynnie Hall: It drives me crazy when there’s two of the same name or the same name for two different tricks, so I remember, I think it was Spiderman was a move name that I was trying to find at one point for a themed challenge, and I was getting what I later found out to be the Buddha.

I was getting crucifixes. I was just getting inverted crucifixes, and then I was actually getting like what I was looking for. So there’s three different tricks under the same name, and everybody’s calling them Spiderman.

And like, I think part of the problem is themed challenges and things like that. People are like, “well, we’ll make up the shape, but we want it to be this theme. So we’ll call this and we’ll just put this shape to it.” And I’ve seen that happen, too.

Kim Kida: Yeah, no, it, it gets pretty wild. Like when, like some of the names like have some relatively like cool origins, like, like your Jamilla, right? Named after Jamila, the amazing instructor.

So, the Jamilla is named after her, which is really cool, but I’ve also heard it called an Apprentice. I’d love to know the origin of that one. I have no clue where that one came from, but I’ve heard it as both. So, obviously I refer to it as a Jamilla, but again, while teaching I’m like, “Hey, you may also find called this somewhere else down the line.”

You know, you and I are doing our research right, for the move dictionary, trying to find as many names as possible. Obviously, we can’t get them all without community input, but we’re going to attempt to find what we can.

With that, I try to relay to my students, and while I am a tiny little, little section of the world, like hopefully it spirals down so that people were like, “Oh, there are multiple ways to call this trick. That’s okay that I preferred this one. It makes the most sense to me,” right?

Because if I call it. You know, if I call again, let’s use the Jasmine versus the, the chest man. When I think Jasmine, I think the princess, and when I do that trick, nothing to me clicks and says “princess,” like that doesn’t feel like a very princessy move. I’m trying to kick myself in the face! Like that doesn’t feel like a princess move to me. But when I learned it as the chest, man, obviously it made sense because I am pushing with my chest. I am trying to really keep my chest up and push my hand down. So learning as the chest man also helped me know that like, don’t let your chest droop.

Your chest droops, down you go. Also your shapes going to look terrible, but like, so some names make a lot of sense. And then some don’t kind of like we were talking about right. With like shoulder mount. That makes sense. Yeah. But, yeah, so I, I’m always curious to know what the origin is, but if there are different names for the move, I’m cool to learn them and will essentially use whatever I find in that area.

So, yeah. You know – the current studio that I took over, right. They call them, you know, Gemini Scorpio instead of inside and outside leg hangs. I switched, I start using it that way. Why? Because I don’t want to disrupt what they’ve been learning, just because I want to call it something different.

Like, but I am going to inform them like, “Hey, other people in the world call it this. If that’s what you want to call it. Cool. Otherwise here’s some cool information. Let’s keep rolling.” Right? It’s not, well, I call it this and now you’re going to.

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. And then you also don’t want to exclude them from that. Cause when I switched studios, the apprentice and Jamilla was a great example because I learned it as Jamilla and then I switched studios and they only knew it as Apprentice.

They didn’t know Jamilla at all. I was honestly confused cause I thought that they were two separate moves. But I was afraid to ask, because again, like this is back when I was a baby poler and I still wasn’t sure about like terminology and. I was afraid of being wrong.

Kim Kida: Yeah, that makes sense. For sure.

Destynnie Hall:  And so for, I think it was going on like six months. I thought they were two completely separate moves. So I just honestly avoided both.

Kim Kida: “I never want to do either of those. Don’t talk to me about this.”

Destynnie Hall: And it finally clicked when somebody. mis-called it a Jamilla and then corrected themselves said, Oh, uh, sorry. I meant Apprentice and then did the move. And I’m like, Oh. Mind blown!

Kim Kida: I’m not crazy!

Destynnie Hall: Exactly. Yeah.

Kim Kida: Yeah, no, the other thing I’ve come across recently. So I, you know, I moved down here to somewhere in California and, the other thing I’ve noticed recently, just working with a couple of my students, who prefer like they/them pronouns – so some moves, they don’t prefer the gender aspect of them. That might be something that we start to see in the pole community. I don’t know. It depends. I try to be, very accommodating to everyone however they feel. So, a great example is the Superman. If I’m working with someone who’s like they them and they don’t want to, they don’t, or they aren’t comfortable with that term.

I will switch it. Just super person. Super human.

Destynnie Hall: That’s a great way to do it.

Kim Kida: Yeah. Like there’s a lot of, and even when I taught, you know, other like other things, Oh, the greatest example and you, and I both know how many names this trick has. Hello boys. Hello, sailor, big hello. Right. or just hello, right?

Like there’s a million names for that, but yeah. I think it’s good to have a couple of different things to fall back on because hello boys, not everyone wants to say hello to boys, to be honest with you, so big hello works great. Wrist sit works great. It’s not a gendered thing.

So for certain people having a different name to call it might make them more comfortable on, you know, on that kind of level instead of just, “Hey, that’s what my old pole studio called it. Now I’m happy.” Some people really just have a personal preference and that’s okay. Like, I will accommodate that to the end of the earth. Like to the best of my ability, I will be like, all right, we’re going to call it the Big Hello.

Or if you want to say hello girls, I’m totally cool with that too. Or hello people.

Destynnie Hall: That is literally what the pole community is about is like making sure everybody has the safe space where they feel welcome. So if, if the move names are making people uncomfortable, then yeah, change it.

Kim Kida: Let’s switch it up.

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. Switch it up, but let’s also reference it and make sure people all know it’s this move. No matter what name we’re talking about.

Kim Kida: Yeah. So both you and I have said, you know, when we’re teaching, we try and give as much context as possible, right? I try and hit at least the top three names of what it could be called.

A great example of where I do not hit all of those names is funky grip. Funky grip is where you serve your arm up and you sacrifice your elbow pit to the gods of pole. And then you grab up and you can either grab on top or cup your choice, right? Depending on what trick you’re doing, but funky grip there, like 14 names for that one. So I try to hit three and then I move on with my life because… Funky grip, bicep grip, dinosaur grip –

Destynnie Hall: Blood donor grip!

Kim Kida:  I’ve definitely given blood like this. Like I try to hit like the top three names that I think, you know, are the most active in the community, right?

Things that I am seeing the most and things that you and I have researched that we see the most. So I try to hit those and then, you know, tell them like, “Hey, it’s very possible that you come across, it in a different name. These are not the end all be all names of this. You may hear it as something totally different.”

Destynnie Hall: Yeah.

Kim Kida: So. We talked about the, kind of problem that we’re seeing, you know, in the community with, there’s a lot of names which isn’t necessarily a problem, as long as it’s well documented and there’s something for you to reference, but how it can lead to some cyber bullying, which I think is really sad. Pole is supposed to be a very happy place. It’s supposed to be a welcoming place. And, of course, It’s not a group thing without drama, because as a group, there’s going to be drama somewhere somehow, but I don’t think this should be the drama we focus on.

Destynnie Hall: I also think it’s very far and few between all things considered, which is amazing.

Kim Kida: Yeah, that’s fantastic. For the most part people will just like, kind of give you like a funky look and they’re like, okay, sure. you know, our culture kind of, we call it this and then, okay dokey, like most people will adapt to it, right? And have no issues.

But, in the small cases that we do have, we want to squash those before, like, you know, before anything really gets out of control. Cause that’s. We don’t need that. We’re a community of people who are supposed to uplift each other and are, you know, in our spaces where we feel vulnerable, like pole dancing is something for a lot of people where they are, have the freedom to feel sensual or have the freedom to feel sexual or, you know, just be themselves.

So, you know, taking something that someone’s learned and being like. “That’s not right.” That’s going to take them back at least a step, down a few notches is they’re like, “Oh, I did something wrong.” Or they’re going to tell you to go eat it on the internet, depending on who you’re talking to.

Destynnie Hall: I mean, best case scenario, it’s not going to be the highlight of their day.

Worst case scenario is kind of an, a serious damp on their motivation.

Kim Kida: Absolutely. Because they’re like, “well, now I got to go figure out the right thing are my people teaching me wrong?”

So, let’s kind of talk about the move dictionary. We’ve referenced it a couple of times and not everybody knows kind of what the move dictionary is. This is something that you dreamed up. So, let’s talk a little bit about how you dreamed it up and then what it’s come to now.

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. So, seeing a lot of these issues is honestly the motivation for, the move dictionary as a concept. I kept on seeing, like, as I moved studios, I kept on seeing this name, this name, this name.

And I kept on seeing like, people posting on Facebook, like, Oh, what do you call this? And then they get 30 million answers and they’re all different. and. There wasn’t a platform for people to come together and say like, this is this move,

and it’s called these things like accepting that, yeah. We’ve already made all of these names and they’re not going to go away and that’s fine.

They don’t have to. but we need to know that they are this move and. A lot of the other, video lessons that I see are always teaching like this one specific move and they never reference it at all.

It’s just like, this is that move. And that is all that’s going to be said about it. Not necessarily in a bad way, just that’s the way it’s done.

And so I wanted to provide a platform where. You have “here’s the most common name.” Well, and it’s a lot of it’s community driven. A lot of it’s done by polls or community input. This is what we’re going to call this. And it’s also called these things. Here’s how you break it down. Here’s safety tips because you shouldn’t have to pay money to not hurt yourself.

Yeah. And just doing like. A couple of common mistakes, how to fix them because people always have trouble with like their invert, they have trouble pulling their head back, tilting their head back and lifting the hips up, because they don’t know to do those things.

Kim Kida: Yeah. When you were a baby poler, you’re like, “well, how do I what? My body is supposed to do what?”

Destynnie Hall: Yeah. So I just, I wanted to put together a platform where we could take all these things under one roof.

Kim Kida: That makes sense. Yeah. so this is where I kind of come in, right? Because actively as a teacher right now, you know, I love like, obviously I love teaching. I’m obsessed with it. I have a like serious problem with it.

That’s something that I really appreciated about it, as also someone who’s moved around to a couple of different studios attended different studios, because I do think it’s great to learn from new people, you know, rather than just like, this is the teacher that I learned from and everything I know is from that person. In order for me to build my own style, I’m going to take a little bit from here and a little bit from there a little bit from there, right?

I’m going to go around and I’m going to check out other studios and see what’s happening. You could always learn something from it different people. There’s always something, right? Whether it’s a move that clicks because they explained it differently or, you know, new names or just tricks in general, like you’re going to learn something new from a brand new studio or an instructor.

Very rarely do I ever walk in the door of somewhere and learn nothing.

Destynnie Hall: Yeah.

Kim Kida: And, maybe if I’m making like, an intro class – but I took an intro class at the studio I’m at now and completely learned a new way to start people conditioning for inverts. And I was like, “that’s amazing. Yes.”

So, even an intro class, no matter how advanced you are, you can probably learn something new. Unless you’ve been doing it for like 20 years and you’re Fawnia and you created a lot of the common pole moves might not learn anything new as Fawnia.

Destynnie Hall: Unless you’re creating it. But yeah, I mean, even at that point, like the majority of us now, like where we’ve been doing it for 1 to 10 years.

There’s a couple of the people who have been doing it for 15 or 20, but they are generally teachers, they are instructors, they lead people through these moves, but the pole community has almost exploded and just the past couple of years, and so we’re seeing this influx of completely new pole dancers come in and they’re needing this new information. This new information without a prior background in all these other tricks – all these more advanced tricks that they’ve never heard of.

Kim Kida: Yeah, for sure.

So, currently, if you’ve looked at the move dictionary, it’s me teaching. The instructions that I give are not meant to be all-encompassing. I could spend forever teaching you one move in like a billion different ways.

Which, starting next time we do the show in two weeks from now, that’s what the On the Pole section is of the show will be is me starting to break down moves for you

And so, something as basic as the chair spin, there are conditioning exercises for that. There are preps for that, and your push pull, there’s all kinds of stuff, right? And so when you watch the move dictionary, it’s to give you a good idea and it’s also to give you safety measures, right?

That’s not something I cover in my videos, but it is something that Destynnie and I come up with together. Like, what’s the safest way for you to come out of this move? How do you not hurt your wrist when you do it? Things like that, right?

So with the move dictionary, we give you a gif, right? If you don’t want to watch my video and listen to me, talk cool. If you get it from the gif, awesome.

Do you want to watch my video and listen to me talk cause that’s how you learn? Cool. Awesome.

You read better if you, you know, if, if reading that move is the best way for you to receive that information, that’s why we have all three, but not only do we have all of that, like Destynnie said, we have all of the names.

You know, as someone who was a baby poler, at one point, obviously, I did look at stuff like, 123Poling, Cleos rock n’ pole, you know, all of those things and you do learn stuff differently.

Again, namings. Sometimes they’ll come up with their own names and then I’m like, okay, cool. Well now we, we should add that as a reference because it’s valid to call it that. Because other people are gonna call it that as well, but you know, I’m used to hearing it this way and that’s okay.

So then we add that as a reference, like this is also what is being called somewhere else. So if you hear it, you know what you’re looking for specifically. The pole dictionary is a dictionary, but also a thesaurus.

I really think that, you know, kind of in the end, the pole move names should be viewed as synonyms and not, you know, people like trying to, again, like rarely do we see or come across, like move superiority, like complexes. But I do think that they should be viewed as synonyms, completely across the board.

I don’t see the pole community becoming any less community driven in the next, you know, decade or so. Like, you know, it’s going to take a really long time before there’s a lot of structure. and so in the meantime, between time, that’s why we’re here trying to gather as much information as possible to put together.

Now, if you see a name on the card – so if I like teach the Froggy, you know, and that’s a move dictionary move, you could still search it by the Genie and come across it.

That’s the whole point of that, is, if you see a name on the card, the name is because Destynnie and I have done research and we said, you know what?

All the people on Instagram are calling it the Froggy.

(By the way they’re all calling it the Genie.)

So, you know, everyone’s calling it the Genie, so that’s what we’re going to put up there. That’s the name, but we are not saying that’s the end all be all name. We’re saying that’s the most popular name, but if you wanted to find it by the Froggy, you totally could.

Destynnie Hall: Exactly. Between that and prerequisite moves, everything’s linked. If you want to learn this well, make sure you know, these things first, things like that.

I think that the move dictionary is going to really be a place to start helping bring that structure together in the community. And, so far we’ve received a lot of good input from the community.

A lot of people saying like, “Hey, I really love this has helped me a lot.” And also people saying like, “Hey, I heard it like this.” Adding on.

Compliments are awesome, but also we want everybody to add their voice too, because that’s the community.

Kim Kida: Feedback is super important. So if you come across something and you’re like, “ I have not heard of that as any of these names, I hear it as this,” let us know, because the move dictionary is a living breathing section of the website. So is the entirety of PolePedia right?

Pole changes. And we change with it.

We try and keep up. and so, it’s a living, breathing document.

We want you to interact with us. We want you to tell us that, “Hey, this is how I learned it. Can you add this name?” Absolutely.

Something we’ve forgotten in the safety measures? Tell us we will add it.

We don’t – you know – our intent is not to be like, we’re the experts of the experts of the experts. No, we’re two people who really freaking love pole, and we want to create this community resource, but it’s got to have the community behind it to become a community resource.

So you come across it and you’re like, none of this applies to me. Let us know, let us help accommodate for you as well.

Destynnie Hall: Right. Yeah. And we also have a lot of people saying like, “Hey, I want to learn this stuff.” So we add it into our – we have a little queue of moves that we go down and video and build out on the move dictionary –  we’ll add that into the queue.

Kim Kida: Yeah.

So, because today we don’t have our On the Pole section, this is probably going to be about the wrap up for the show. So, thank you, and if you are watching us on YouTube later, hello YouTube people! We understand that everyone is in different times zones, so this may not be the best time for you. You can catch us later.

But yeah, so, thank you Destynnie for our first show, and also: Congratulations, PolePedia two years!

Destynnie Hall: Yes! Today it is two years. And thank you, Kim!

Kim Kida: Everyone, thank you for joining us, listening to our move name discussion, where we talked about all the names, how to navigate them, and then, you know – if you want to help build out the community resource, if you want a voice in how things are named, how they’re taught, let us know.

Until then we’ll see you next time.

Bye everybody!